From: Dr. Vann Harl
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:51:50 -0700
At 09:13 AM 6/13/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>Collecting information in itself is not illegal.
>
>Understood. This, however, was not my point: what I was wondering was
>could precedent be used to get the database out of him?
Finding A Good Lawyer - 101
Find a Shark. Stay away from anyone with an Ivy League education. They
are for the most part Trust Fund Babies and as such are lazy in the brain.
Find someone who worked their way through school. Someone who failed a
course or two and had to repeat a year. This is the surest sign of
tenacity, a highly valued trait in a Shark. Stay away from ALL ex-LEO's
who got a law degree, they have the wrong mind set.
The lawyer should be someone you would trust your life with in a knife
fight and not someone with the first eye-catching ad in the yellow pages.
Get solid prices in writing. Any lawyer who can't give you a good idea
of the total end cost is usually a thief. Imagine if a repair shop can
not give cost estimates on fixing your car, are you really going to be
surprised when the bill is more than the value of the car.
>Effectively, what I'm doing is looking for a loophole.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING OF COURSE-FOIA for your file NOT from the Famous But
Incompetents but the main file held by the DOJ. If you can discern through
the redactions that your name or alias was given by a Confidential Informant
or appeared in a Database of Information then that should be sufficient blood
in the water for your Shark to go berserk.
>If that loophole can be found because he is making these files available
>to law enforcement,
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING OF COURSE-The DOJ uses a piece of software which I
believe was called PROMISE(?) It creates lines of connectivity between
suspects from collected raw data. It is used extensively in RICO cases.
It is highly abused and extremely deceptive since the lines could be made
to reflect that you share the same Bank, or Phone Company, or that you both
prefer to rent your car through AV*S or drink beer from a bottle. But all
this leads in Discovery to divulgence of HOW the information was obtained,
WHO obtained it, WHY it was obtained, and if it lacks the shield of law
enforcement anonymity it must be turned over by court order. Does this JV
nave a badge? If this purported Database suddenly goes missing or gets lost
or has an accident walking across the street then the Shark should easily be
able to get felony(?) obstruction of justice charges filed. But we were
just HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING OF COURSE.
>Understood. Again, I'm trying to find any way of doing this that is feasible.
>
>>Of course, I'm not a lawyer and this shouldn't be held as law.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING OF COURSE- As I have yet to take the bar, this must
not be construed as legal advice. But I have always maintained that in
criminal, and in civil, and in the equity courts that the best defence is a
blood thirsty offense. Just my opinion of course. By me a beer at DEFCON
if anybody finds this worthless and incompetent advice slightly helpful.
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